insults, accusations, alts, cheaters(?), confusion, chaos, sides, chat bans, labels, secrets, lies, good, bad(?), hidden, shared, communication, gone, lost and time... tick tock tick tock... that list of words is the very, very briefest insight to whats going on... each word is like a subject... i dont want to go into depth and say my thoughts, what ive seen, heard, experienced and been a part of tho... that would take ages... and thats only coming from my point of view :/... and some things just arent meant to be shared... not even to those u trust the most... theyre just meant to be kept to urself...
As a newer player on Lichess, I feel the community is toxic.
I played in the past on FICS, and learned the game to a fairly deep level back then.
Within hours of playing on here, i was accused of using an engine, and/or being an alt. multiple times. some brought forth by players I have never even played/talked to. It still continues to this day.
I have officially sided with the camp of I don't give a tiny rats ass about the ongoing feud, and it has made my life here a lot easier.
The old chess community on FICS was fairly strong, with all the players talking freely and sharing information on the game. On here it is quite a different and sad story. I keep to myself, and only talk to a few other players (that didn't try to tar and feather before saying hello).
Sjeng is quite popular on the site for cheating, it has a unique play style that makes it easy to spot, and I have seen it in use multiple times. Thankfully it is a beatable engine for good players.
There are stronger engines out there tho, so some form of higher detection would be nice.
I played in the past on FICS, and learned the game to a fairly deep level back then.
Within hours of playing on here, i was accused of using an engine, and/or being an alt. multiple times. some brought forth by players I have never even played/talked to. It still continues to this day.
I have officially sided with the camp of I don't give a tiny rats ass about the ongoing feud, and it has made my life here a lot easier.
The old chess community on FICS was fairly strong, with all the players talking freely and sharing information on the game. On here it is quite a different and sad story. I keep to myself, and only talk to a few other players (that didn't try to tar and feather before saying hello).
Sjeng is quite popular on the site for cheating, it has a unique play style that makes it easy to spot, and I have seen it in use multiple times. Thankfully it is a beatable engine for good players.
There are stronger engines out there tho, so some form of higher detection would be nice.
I'm afraid that the status quo is always maintained at lichess until/unless it is sooo obvious there's a problem that it rears its head quite dramatically.
We had that with the pools. The original pools were a disaster. The way they were implemented, having a separate rating system blah blah - but it took weeks of having virtually no one in any of the pools before they were removed.
Now we have something with chess variants. They introduce new variant after new variant, but if they can't be policed, it is just creating problems to deal with in the long-term.
I wish people went somewhere else to play variants, and played proper chess here - at the highest possible standard of game play and presentation. Without the variants perhaps the standard game would be presented in an even better manner.
We had that with the pools. The original pools were a disaster. The way they were implemented, having a separate rating system blah blah - but it took weeks of having virtually no one in any of the pools before they were removed.
Now we have something with chess variants. They introduce new variant after new variant, but if they can't be policed, it is just creating problems to deal with in the long-term.
I wish people went somewhere else to play variants, and played proper chess here - at the highest possible standard of game play and presentation. Without the variants perhaps the standard game would be presented in an even better manner.
"If they can't be policed" meaning what exactly, and what does that have to do with the implementation of new variants? Is anybody forcing you to read comments, conversation, etc? There are people on the Internet, as in real life, who are jerks. This is not unique to Lichess. If you don't feel like interacting with a bunch of children, don't, this has nothing to do with how many variants Lichess supports. I can't even figure out how on earth you've managed to connect the two in your head.
#12 Even I believed you were an alt until today. There are too many top players' alts in the anti community so any new player that rises immediately above 2000 people from both sides may believe you are an alt..since in the majority of the cases this is actually correct: These chat-banned and labeled users are never gone...they are here with a (or more than one) different accounts.
Lack of implementation of engines here (I understand Thibault and the developers want to let Stockfish learn how to play variants...and engines for atomic and horde are almost complete..though the anti one is nowhere to be found..) makes anti hard to police...the community is largely not into engine analysis which makes it worse. If people here were all familiar with sjeng Nilatac and wizard there would have been less cheating.
I believe the variant should stay here...since it is one of the main chess variants. What should happens is a follow-up... Probably the best thing to do is to let some members of the anti community police the community and help the mods tackle its issues.
Lack of implementation of engines here (I understand Thibault and the developers want to let Stockfish learn how to play variants...and engines for atomic and horde are almost complete..though the anti one is nowhere to be found..) makes anti hard to police...the community is largely not into engine analysis which makes it worse. If people here were all familiar with sjeng Nilatac and wizard there would have been less cheating.
I believe the variant should stay here...since it is one of the main chess variants. What should happens is a follow-up... Probably the best thing to do is to let some members of the anti community police the community and help the mods tackle its issues.
#12 Oh wait you are ElSoupo..so I see...the reason I got into the community in the first place is people saying that you are the latest alt of AM-Veriitas...which turns out to be false.
#14 If there isn't really an anti chess engine, cheats can't properly be detected; if there is no policing of the game, alts spring up everywhere. As far as abuse is concerned - yes we can just ignore it, but I don't think we should have to.
#17 This is exactly what is happening right now. With real cheats/alts here also comes false accusations of things above.
A temporary solution with cheating is to form a community policing team with some players using engines to look for cheaters and report them to the mods. This is actually the easy part. Jeff can run engines for us.
The hard part is manipulation of ratings and rankings, especially using alts to manipulate other people's ratings and rankings without actually cheating or perform any obvious boosting or sandbagging.
A temporary solution with cheating is to form a community policing team with some players using engines to look for cheaters and report them to the mods. This is actually the easy part. Jeff can run engines for us.
The hard part is manipulation of ratings and rankings, especially using alts to manipulate other people's ratings and rankings without actually cheating or perform any obvious boosting or sandbagging.
So 960 is very likely to have been IP-banned.
I hope people at lichess dont still think there aren't any engines for Antichess.
A Simple google search will show you there are ...like hundreds of them.
Somehow stumbled across this old thread; and felt like reviving it due to the silliness in it.
A Simple google search will show you there are ...like hundreds of them.
Somehow stumbled across this old thread; and felt like reviving it due to the silliness in it.
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